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  What are apostates?

  by mindfield in

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  first off, let me tell you that i don't view you guys, or myself, as apostates.

  that word somehow carries along with it a negative sense of destruction and hate.

  what i'm wondering is, what is an apostate then?

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  Nathan Natas

  The word "apostate" is a label used by orthodoxy to malign heterodoxy.

  The basic idea expressed by the word "apostate" is "someone who has abandoned his ideals." A deserter. Someone who is no longer cheerfully attending all the meetings, perhaps?

  Next up the scale are the "infidels," or "unfaithful" ones. We might imagine that at some point an apostate might perform some forbidden act, like joining a political orrganization just so they could use their library, or joining the YMCA just so they could use the pool.

  Worse than an apostate would be a heretic, for a heretic holds unorthodox opinions. A heretic has ideas. I suppose that technically, "evil slaves" would be heretics. If you don't keep up to date with the color and intensity of god's ever-changing light, you might be a heretic!

  None of these labels leave much room for the effects of education and growth, do they?

  Human history is a progression of ideas. Was Martin Luther an apostate, infidel or heretic when he nailed his message to the church door? Was Charles Taze Russell an apostate, heretic or infidel when he began publishing Zion's Watchtower? It all depends on who is answering the question.

  The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society can call me anything they want. They have no power in my life, nor do they have any metaphysical power. Their power is all about money and lawyers, manipulation, guilt and lies.
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  Is the Devil really that clever?

  by TheHighPriest in

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  people usually turn to god in times of distress and tend to forget about god when things are going a bit better,right?

  so if the devil really wanted to succeed in turning people away from god all he would have to do is make life more comfortable for all of us.

  i mean lets face it if everyone was loaded with money had access to every convenience, if health was not an issue we all had to confront would we look to god for salvation then?

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  Nathan Natas

  The devil is as clever as you imagine him to be.
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  the FBI's Project Megiddo (PM) report

  by Mindchild in

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  "project megiddo" is the fbi's strategic assessment of the potential for domestic terrorism in the united states.

  the report generated under project megiddo states the intent was "to analyze the potential for extremist criminal activity in the united states by individuals or domestic extremist groups who profess an apocalyptic view of the millennium or attach special significance to the year 2000.

  the following quote is from this article:"the making of project megiddo & the secret agenda to destroy christianity in america" http://www.networkusa.org/fingerprint/page1b/fp-secret-agenda.html.

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  I recall reading about "Project Megiddo" before the big "Y2K" non-event. I wasn't overly impressed with it then.

  Catchy title, though, isn't it? No surprise that someone in a predominately Judeo-Christian culture would see the emotional value of such a title and try to ride its coat-tails.
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  I USED TO PRAY I'D NEVER LOOSE THE TRUTH

  by ballistic in

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  i simply want to say what a great feeling it is to be free of the strangle-hold of mind control, guilt and the suppression of being in the truth.. i remember a co in a public talk saying how the new system would bring relief from the pressures of this system as if a huge weight had been removed from your shoulders.. and then those talks about being a "slave to sin" which carefully twists the "apparent" freedom of worldly persons into slavery.. i used to pray at night, that unlike my siblings in our large family, i wouldn't loose the truth.

  i think something inside of me was scared i would.

  i don't know why.. ok, so it took me through pioneering and a hopeless marriage but eventually i did loose it, and never wrote to thank them, and even though i'm not sure if i still believe in god or not, i should at least thank him, as i had prayed, a few days prior to my disfellowshipping, for him to guide me out of my troubles, whatever they may be.. i just want you all to know that although i post about anger at the wtbts, i trully am a very happy person, and i am happy to be here and to feel like that huge weight has already been lifted.. *

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  Nathan Natas

  Hi Ballistic,

  I agree with JanG - you have lost "the trooth," but are now closer to THE TRUTH.

  TRUTH is always congruent with observable reality. The TRUTH is sometimes stunning in its simplicity.

  There's nothing wrong with anger. There are times when it is an appropriate and rational response. When you're angry, I'll still be your friend. Hell, you've paid for your anger, as we all have.

  "I don't believe in the trooth fairy anymore!"
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  News Flash: October Ends - World Remains

  by ChuckD in

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  well, our resident sooth-sayer yk has once again missed the mark, as october ends and the world spins on.

  but then again, as was the case in 1914, the world may have come crashing down but i failed to notice.

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  Dear readers, you know who is your false prophet. I shall step up to the plate of prophecy and bat a few out of the ball park!

  I'd like to take this opportunity to remind all my friends of my ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE PREDICTION that the WTS "special meeting" would be, not the grand revelation that many expected, but a corporate "baloney banquet."

  No applause, please, no applause!

  I am now prepared to utter my three next stunning predictions, and I am absolutely convinced that they too will come to pass.

  "Hear me, oh you people! May you have peace!

  1. Sometime soon something will happen that was previously "impossible."

  To those of medieval mindset, it will seem supernaturally and metaphysically magical, while in reality it will be due to technological progress. All human progress since the dawn of history has been the result of man's labor and man's thinking - nothing of value has ever materialized from an imaginary invisible world.

  2. Billions now living will be alive next November.

  The world will not end as a result of the intervention of an imaginary entity. Whatever disasters befall the inhabitants of earth will be the result of man's thinking and man's action or unreasoning, undirected, unintelligent forces of nature.

  3. KISS will consider another FAREWELL tour.

  You may mock me, infidels and unbelievers, but your mockery will turn to wails of astonishment and shocked disbelief when these things come to pass as prophesied here!"

  Nathan Natas, "tick tock, tick tock" class.

  Don't let the name scare you, boy.
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  The last Solar Eclipse of The Mellemnium 23

  by Celtic in

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  at 11:11am on the 11th of august 1999 was the time of the last solar eclipse of the mellemnium.. 23 months later.. on september 11th the twin towers collapsed..

  celtic.

  many questions

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  Remarkable! I believe you have provided profound evidence that these events were connected. If I told you how I would have to kill myself.

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  X-files/Jw's/poll

  by zev in

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  while out for my usual liquid lunch, a cup of new englands finest pee week coffee and a pack of grape bubble yumm..... a thought accured to me.. i'm a die hard avid x-files fan.. i can relate to mulder.

  i can definately relate to that busty red head partner of his, scully.. my thought was this..... in the last 10 months of digging into wt stuff and opening my eyes to the wretched viel of hypocrisy i've been lead by all my life..... am i really that much different than mulder?

  seeking "truth", looking for the hidden agendas, and conspiricys?.

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  Nathan Natas

  I've enjoyed many X-files episodes - generally the more far out they were, the more I liked them - and I loved the funny ones with Charles Nelson Reilly. I had high hope for "Millennium" when it came out, but it got weak. I wanted something more "Silence of the Lambs" meets "The Illuminati" with a dash of Lovecraft - something more like Mr. Natas' neighborhood, I suppose.

  Is the truth "out there"? I think it is, but I think it isn't what most folks would like for it to be.

  "Trust no one" - that includes myself, right?

  Anyone here read Michael Slade? (Headhunter, Ghoul, Cutthroat, etc) It's comforting, isn't it?
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  they`re gonna do it again !

  by Doc_jedd in

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  just finished watching the news on the tube saying that the u.s. is gonna get hit by terrorists again sometime this week !

  ashcroft says they dont know were or when but sources say there will be another terrorist attack on the u.s. this week !

  ............jedd

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  I heard they were going to go from door-to-door distributing magazines filled with poisonous ideas.

  It would be a shame to loose Mt. Rushmore - truly one of our great natural wonders... <:P
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  I'm Screwed Up, You're Screwed Up

  by Farkel in

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  i have not followed very many threads of late, so if someone has already made the same observations i'm about to make, i apologize for my redundancy.. .

  i admit it: i'm part of a highly secretive, highly elite group.

  (we have to drink two quarts of fresh yak blood and get a tattoo of a pentagram on our butts as part of of the initiation.

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  Nathan Natas

  Hey Dan-o, you screwed up dude you (just keepin' the thread alive) -

  I'm on a diet. Got Kitten tenders? ...with extra catsup, please.
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  How the JWs helped me

  by larc in

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  all of us have had negative experiences as a result of leaving the witnesses, some much worse than others.

  many here, have expressed a bitterness and an anger over loosing so many "wasted" years.

  while these are natural feelings, i think there are several positives we can dwell on as well.

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  Nathan Natas

  What's this?

  The Stockholm Syndrome hour?

  Let's see, I'm grateful that I was able to breathe several million times while I was associated with the WTS. Thanks to them my bowel movements were regular and not at all unpleasant.

  Can any one give me an example of one single thing of value that they "got" from the WTS that they could not have received in greater abundance elsewhere?

  I will not give them credit for a single thing in my life - in all possible ways, my life would have been better if the WTS never existed!